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ToTheTeam

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17/05/2007

 

To the Team (an Open Letter)

 

Murray, Ron and Simon win the National Triples and the right to represent New Zealand at the World Championships. I was so happy for you, full of emotion at your win and excited about the prospect for you of playing at the World Championships. What a thrill it all was and how happy you looked!

 

What on earth happened?

 

If you honestly wanted to take a fourth player just in case someone was ill or injured, why didn't you then extend that offer to Paul O'Connor and give him the opportunity to experience being part of the World Championships, the opportunity to experience the atmosphere? The wonderful opportunity of a lifetime!

 

What an amazing thing that would have been, and why not? After all, Paul earned his right to a chance at the fourth spot.

 

This year was always going to be an interim year for determining the team for the Worlds. You could not possibly believe that, given any other circumstances, your team would have been chosen as the best team to represent New Zealand in Thailand, and to play with the best chance of success - you just won the right, and that was great, but that was it.

 

Why are you going to Singapore? For the competition? You don't need the competition, you don't need a training regime, you don't need to arrive in Thailand exhausted from two days of play in high temperatures.

 

You need to just keep on doing what you do through the winter - keep enjoying playing petanque when the weather allows, and go to Thailand in the best possible health, play as well as possible, but above all, ENJOY THE EXPERIENCE.

 

The rest of the petanque community would not be sitting back here judging by the results, they would be hoping that the team is really having the best time and getting the most out of it possible, and that you are feeling proud of being a New Zealand team representing their country.

 

When and how did the focus change for you? Who or what changed your focus? Why are you now talking about what you need to give yourselves 'the best chance of success?'. What do you mean by success? How did this happen?

 

New Zealand will always be disadvantaged by the World Championships being at the end of our winter, our off season, and we have to realise that this is a serious disadvantage. The only way this could be overcome is by being in the vicinity of the World Championships venue for a good two months before the Worlds, preferably longer, and that is simply not an option for us.

 

Teams can still have goals, still do the work here that they can manage, still have dreams - all good stuff as long as it is tempered by reality.

 

Is this what has happened here - has the reality which would have enabled you to enjoy the support that so many people were just hanging out to give you, disappeared in a sea of possibly well intentioned but misguided advice.

 

I held your team in high regard, never doubted you would do the right thing, respect the position you found yourselves in, continue to uphold the principles of good sportsmanship that I was so sure you all held.

 

What happened?

 

Liz Rocks

See also: Fourth player synopsis and Replies to CEO Newsletter.


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At 3:36 PM, Anonymous said...

As much as I would like to keep my mouth shut in response to Liz Rocks letter to the team - I can't - because I am so incensed by its content. I don't even know where to start I am so gobsmacked!.

 

First of all, how dare she mention someones name as a possible 4th player - when it has absolutely nothing to do with her. Murray, Simon and Ron won the right to choose a 4th player from a small select group. They chose not to invite someone from that group. For Mrs Rocks to mention Mr O'Connors name is totally inappropriate. I could mention the name of another player also in the small select group who apparently has thrown a hissy fit because he wasn't asked - but I have more class than to mention names.

 

Mrs Rocks insults the New Zealand championship team by suggesting that if she was still the selector - there would be no way that they would even be considered as a team. Again, totally inappropriate and why would you want to make comments in a public forum like that. It is just so offensive.. PNZ set the rules for qualifying and Murray, Simon and Ron did the deed. If we really wanted to apply Mrs Rocks' comments to selection and qualification we would again raise the fiasco of last years team, its qualification and reason for selection - something that Mrs Rocks was partly responsible for. I wouldn't even dare raise the issue of the questionable selection of the 4th player for the womans world champs last year!!!!!!

 

Next, Mrs Rocks questions the reasons for the team to travel to Singapore. Surely it is an ideal opportunity for the team to adapt to Asian conditions and in the document sent out by PNZ regarding this years selection, it was made very clear that the team who qualified for the world champs would be offered the opportunity to compete in Singapore on the way. Mrs Rocks suggests they will be too tired to play in Thailand. If she checked the dates she would see there is a week between tournaments.

 

Again we could raise the issue of sending an ill prepared team to Singapore last year - I was there as a supporter and could see how poorly PNZ had prepared our team for that tournament.

 

Finally Mrs Rocks suggests that support for the team has diminished. What evidence does she have of this. I am in touch with a lot of petanque people and I can see nothing to suggest this. Sure there may be some people who don't agree with the process but we are talking about three popular, talented petanque players who have won the right to play in Thailand and I think the majority of the the petanque fraternity would say "go to it guys, and have a ball"

 

What also disappoints me is that at the time I write this, 59 people have read Mrs Rocks letter and no one has responded, whether they agree or not.

 

Graeme Burnard


At 5:31 PM, Anonymous said...

Well said Graeme!

This team has a huge amount of support. I suggest a few people need to calm down, have a bowl of latte and steady their nerves.

 

This is only Petanque! The sport we all love to play.

 

 

David Lippard

Manager of NZ World Team 2007


At 9:54 PM, Anonymous said...

The main event was the selection of the team - that got sorted out at Rotorua and the best team on the day won - no one can argue with that, such is the simplicity and beauty of the selection process used - long may it continue, it cuts out the BS. Any subsequent talk of a 4th player is a side show - and a minor one at that.

 

M, R & S did the business and made their choice - get over the side show and move on. Well done to the guys, and all the best in Thailand.

Maurice


At 8:18 AM, Anonymous said...

I think that a very important point has been missed. There is a great difference between having a fourth player and a team of four. What the team going to the World Championships needs is a team of four and those four players need to be compatible. It seems that NZ has a team of three and it is being dictated to team who the fourth member should be and it is unbelievable that it was considered sending a fourth player just to get experience.

 

I believe that the three selected players should have been given the opportunity to pick the player of their choice to complete their team and that the PNZ should have, unless there was a very good reason, approved the choice. I understand their choice was Dave Lippard and I cannot think of a better person to complete the team.

 

May I take this opprtunity to wish the NZ teams and their managers well in the forthcoming championships. I regret I cannot make the trip to Thailand but I look forward to the daily reports.

 

Hopefully I will be in Cockle Bay later in the year.

 

Dave Ciano.


At 9:04 AM, Anonymous said...

For along time now i have avoieded writing anything on this blog. But now feel it is time i said something. In the passed i have been out spoken about alot of things that have been done at the top of our game. But i now realise that it is because these people myself included have not had the interest of the game in mind. but have had their own over inflated ego's and self interest in mind. For the good of this great game we need to get off our self inflated peddistills and band together to let this great game grow. Good lick to the team in Thailand they won the right to represent us.As shareholders is this game it is now time to let the new administration go forth and get this great game on track. If a small groupe of people continue to want to kill the relationships that this great game can provide then we will never grow. Let the past be the past and lets get behine this team and this administration and start a fresh.

 

Myles cowper.


At 10:30 AM, Anonymous said...

When I wrote my letter, I was not looking for people to agree with me. It was not why I wrote the letter. Most people will not have a clue what the background facts are, and therefore I pretty much heard from people I would expect to hear from - just keen to have a say, regardless of not knowing any facts. However, for the people who do know, my letter will have some significance, whether they agree or not. To openly say you agree with me would be the equivilant of petanque political suicide and I do not expect anyone to suffer that fate. To all those people who contacted me personally, thankyou all for your friendship and support. I have no doubt in my mind that when I signalled my resignation from the extended executive on the 17th April, I was doing the right thing for the right reasons and I have never for one moment regretted that decision. Liz


At 10:39 AM, Anonymous said...

I would like to add to some of the very encouraging comments that are coming through. I never doubted that sense would prevail and the rot like a leaky building would be abated by sensible objective comments.

 

I suspect a few people (they know who they are, as do we) have got caught up in process and protocol because of recent history around selecting our national teams. That is now in the past and I believe PNZ are genuine in their attempts to do the right thing. I hope the few “knockers” have the maturity to reflect on their actions and move on and support our team.

 

The 4th player is unequivocally part of a team, not because he/she is the 4th best player but because they can contribute to the team in a number of ways be it providing leadership, attacking ability defensive play the point is they fit and can contribute to that team. When a team of three set out to chose a 4th player these are some of the factors they will consider.

 

What we have right or wrong is a process that has not allowed our team to chose the player of their choice. It is fair to say the team did approach me to ask if I would consider being the 4th member of the team. The process as some of you have pointed out did not allow this to happen the team has accepted this and have moved on.

 

Each member of the team is a successful person outside of the game of Petanque. I don’t think anyone can doubt their commitment, drive and passion which is now instinctive. Each member of the team possesses a huge dollop of PRIDE which intrinsically will guide them to prepare to the best of their ability. I think a few of you can learn from these guys much about what drives someone to representing their country. It is an honour not something that should be offered because we live in a PC world.

 

As the manager it is my role to look after many things not least of which is risk. I will list the risks assess the likelihood of occurrence and the probability of that risk happening. The team will then decide on acceptance, mitigation or removal of that risk. Illness is one such risk. There are vehicles by which this risk can be managed and we as a team are looking at that right now, but let me say it is not served by a mitigation strategy of a 4th player who will sit on the bench as a spectator.

 

So please be assured I will approach this role with absolute commitment and professionalism and I will look at covering all our bases. I support this team and hope that many of you will also come forward and voice your support.

 

David Lippard


At 11:35 AM, Anonymous said...

Does Liz abide by her own sentiments. If so could she explain why, as a selector last year, she did not selectan available 4th female player to:

 

experience being part of the world campionships, the opportunity to experience the atmosphere , the opportunity of a lifetime..instead she took the opportunity!

 

Of course to admit this would be petanque suicde.

 

Mad as a cut snake, that one.

 

Jo

 

PS. David do some work! xx


At 11:39 AM, Anonymous said...

Ok as has been pointed out by people it is not always the best players that make the best team. Unfortunately when the selection that was proposed for this year was proposed. It was stipulated that the team that won would represent New Zealand at the world cup and would have the opportunity to pick a forth player from the teams that finished in the top four. In hind slght this was not the best thing but we learn and move forward. I think as David has said it is important to look at all the risk that can occur at this tournament. In previous tournaments the Manager's Name has been put down as the forth player for purposes of funding E.T.C. If this is to be done again this year i suggest that this is clearly communicated to the patanque family.

Clear, honest and pricise communication will help to gain support.

 

Myles Cowper


At 12:48 PM, Anonymous said...

David, if you are going to make a statement, please at least be accurate. The team selected you as the fourth team member and the core exec agreed to this. This was then communicated by email to the other players. I also received this email directly from Bryan Wells. The strong reaction against this decision, once the news travelled around Auckland and elsewhere was such that the council was asked to give a directive to the exec on a ruling on the fourth player. I may very well believe that you would have been the best person for the team - but you were not eligible. I accept that the past has influenced the decision making, but it is clear that players expected that the PNZ would follow it's own process, thus setting the way for the future. Liz


At 1:00 PM, Anonymous said...

As i said before if a small group of people want to continue to live in the past and protect the over inflated ego's then the sport will never evolve. Get over it. we have all made mistakes. Let the current team have our support and let the current administration get this game on track. Good luck Murrey, Ron and simone.

 

Myles Cowper.


At 1:50 PM, Anonymous said...

hisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

 

goes the mad snake!

 

Joanne


At 1:57 PM, NZPC Editor (Tom) said...

Note from the NZPC editor: The comment above by Joanne will be removed within 24 hours. Whatever we say it must make sense and must be polite. If people are going to behave like children, I am going to have to enable "comment moderation" again. -Tom.


At 2:21 PM, Anonymous said...

irI'm a little like Myles. I have resisted making comments for some time as I believe that the blog site is not always the appropriate forum. In this case I fully support Liz having the right to have her say irrespective of the fact that I don't agree with her. However this letter is to the team, not to the petanque community at large and therefore I believe it should have been sent directly to them from her if she felt the need to do so.

 

I have conveyed my congratulations to Murray, Ron and Simon personally and they know exactly where I stand in regard to supporting them.

 

In regard to the fourth player. I have played with David in a number of tournaments and rank him highly as a player and a friend. The qualities that he displays on and off the piste would have been a bonus to this team. Ron, Simon and Murray also recognised this which is why Ron and Simon have played successfully with David in a couple of tournaments in Auckland. Not only is it his petanques skills, it is also his leadership and team management skills which would add value to this team. I am pleased that these skills have been recognised and that David has been appointed to a role which enables the team to be supported in a significant manner.

 

I do believe however, that much of this could have been avoided if the PNZ had given themselves some breathing space and thought through the unintended consequences of the processes that they were putting in place. There was a groundswell for change after the selection of the World Champ team in 2006. All that the majority of players wanted to see was a commitment from PNZ that they would look at their policies and procedures to come up with a system that was fair, transparent and would be adhered to. I understand the need for an interim process which we have currently, but surely the PNZ could have added a clause which gave them the opportunity to change things if the circumstances demanded it. If change was necessary then the PNZ could have been open, explained the situation to the membership and then proceeded with integrity.

 

We have a new expanded executive which has a number of people who are not afraid to speak their mind. I believe this will give the players a greater voice and provide an opportunity for robust debate.

 

Back to Ron, Murray and Simon; best of luck guys, you have earnt your spot. I am delighted that you will be carrying the NZ flag into the stadium at Pattaya. I am proud of you!

 

Dirk Winnie

 

p.s On another note, I am appalled at the number of spelling mistakes in the contributions from most other members. My screen has red biro marks all over it from where I have circled the spelling mistakes.


At 2:43 PM, Anonymous said...

Tom,

 

If Mr Winnie is allowed to behave like a school teacher correcting our spelling mistakes, can I behave like a child and leave my 'hissss' comment on the blog. Philippe Suchaud is due to read the blog site and as my comments strike at the heart of the problem, I would be disappointed if you removed this prematurely

 

Jo L


 

At 3:50 PM, Anonymous said...

Dirks comments re PNZ are very valid. Even now, there has been no comment from them.

The decision re the 4th player was supposed to be announced early April yet it took PNZ a month to make any announcement whatsoever. A lot of this nonsense could have been avoided if that had just communicated.

I understand Jo Lippard has resigned from the Executive. I understand Liz Rocks has resigned from the "extended" Executive. I can see nothing on the PNZ website advising us of any of this. Why have we not been told or have I missed something?

 

At my interview for the position of CEO for PNZ, I made it very clear that what I wanted to see was a return to open communication, no hidden agenda's and some good old basic courtesy. What a shame the executive didn't have the same vision. I am sure some of you would be aghast at the thought that I would even consider applying for the position, especially as I have a reputation for being rather " mouthy" at times. However, I have a passion for fairness, integrity and loyalty and believe we have been and still are short on all three. The sad thing about all this too, is that I am sure it has taken a shine off the whole thing for our champion team.

 

(Spell check completed but not sure about the grammar, Dirk).

Graeme Burnard.


At 3:55 PM, Anonymous said...

Dirk has a fare point. But as i said hind sight is a great thing.

I again Say if the communication is clear, honest and the reason's explained. I am only speaking for myself but i believe that the best result for the team and PNZ is that they do as previously has been done and place Davids name as the forth player. This allows a win win for both the team And PNZ. I know however that it wont please everyone to do this. But if you do intend to do this. Communicate it to the Petanque family before you leave.

 

Myles Cowper


At 8:02 PM, SIMON said...

It looks like I came to the game of Petanque at the wrong time! I am a relatively young (30 something) player, who joined the Napier Club at the height of the so called "Dawn Gardner" incident. Well I survived that, just, but it certainly tainted my opinion of the game, and now to see the constant bickering on this blogsite, it's very disappointing! I know it's good to express one's opinion, but why is this in-fighting seemingly such a theme of Petanque in NZ? Does this type of thing go on in all/other sports? I'm confused...and considering finding a new, more relaxed game!! _Simon


At 12:02 PM, Anonymous said...

Simon, dont be put off by the ramblings. I have been a member for 10 years and it is a great game and a great bunch of people. It just so happens that over the last 18 months or so there have been a number of people who have made decisions that have not been for the benefit of the sport on the whole and some people have resented that. As is in many cases, the people making the most noise are also the people who care the most.

Graeme Burnard


At 4:55 PM, SIMON said...

Thanks Graeme, it is a great game I agree. And I realise there are issues going on behind the scenes I am unaware of (i.e. they occured before I joined the game), but it would be nice to see them resolved constructively for the sake of the game as a whole. I have spoken to some other players new to the sport, and unfortunately these issues do have a spin-off effect for everyone involved at all levels of the game. As a relatively minor sport in NZ we need to encourage new and younger players to join and participate, but in-fighting at the highest level does not create a positive atmosphere and I believe it is hurting the game. "Ït's not what we say, but how we say it that matters" Not sure who said it, but it sounds true to me! -Simon.


At 5:33 PM, Anonymous said...

Comments like Simon's sure makes one appreciate, that just as well there's some good sensible people out there amongst "our petanque family" who have the courage of their convictions to speak up when things appear wrong! Just imagine for a second what the world would be like if everyone simply stuck there heads in the sand !

David Bosley.


At 7:16 PM, Anonymous said...

This is the first time I have left a comment on this WIKI although I have been following the various threads with interest and sometimes distain.

 

When one enters a competition, (regardless of whether it a sporting competition or not) one is expected to have read the rules and by entering agree to them. Also and just as importantly one tends to have checked out the "prize list" and the conditions surrounding that prize list. E.g. "A first prize of an economy return trip to Fiji plus accommodation at XXXX resort for seven days" means exactly that, it does not mean a trip to Vanuatu as an alternative!!!!

 

Accordingly (rightly or wrongly -which by the way, does not matter) the first prize was the opportunity for the winning team to represent NZ at the World Championships and if they desired to choose an additional team player to join them from anybody who made it to the semi-finals or above.

 

END OF DISCUSSION

 

Simon, Ron and Murray are the team that won this right, now lets keep to the rules plus lets's support the winning team, Go Ron, Go Simon, Go Murray.

 

Grant Hackett


At 2:27 PM, Anonymous said...

Well said Grant. You make good sence out of what has blown up into something that could of been avoided by the following of the rules set out.( Not saying that I agree with them) As you can see by what simon has said that if we continue to bitch and moan at each other on a personal note the game will not evolve and we will only drive young people to find something else to do. It is time to stop living in the last 18 months and realise that we have a committed bunch of people trying to do there best ( they won't get it right all the time) and support them. The only thing i can say from past experience is if the cummunication lines are clear, honest,timely and explain the reasoning behind decisions then you will satisfy most of the people all of the time.

 

Myles Cowper.


At 7:14 AM, Anonymous said...

This is nothing to do with being in the past, last 18 months or moving forward. It is to do with the here and now. We are so lucky we are still in the here and now and can do some quick repairing and forgiving. The selection criteria for the worlds is so clear and simple as Grant has illustrated so well - lets stand by it.

 

We have a great team and an excellent manager. We need to support this team in every possible way. Most teams going to the worlds have a manager, coach and 4th player. Considering the age of the team and the climatic conditions prevailing in Singapore and Thailand we have a reasonable risk of illness and injury. PNZ therefore needs to recommend a 4th player.

 

This is a great opportunity for the New Zealand Petanque community to allow and support PNZ to revisit its decisions with the 2007 World Champs. PNZ should then communicate back to their Petanque community in an honest, open and timely way. -Lorraine G.


At 10:40 AM, Anonymous said...

To All The Players, And People In The Petanque World in New Zealand.

 

1) First of all, Murray, Simon and Ron won the New Zealand triples championship...!!! i am so happy for them and they disserved they chances at the worlds this year in Thailand so why we cut the B.S !!! and get on with it and support them from now on until they leave for the worlds .

 

2) David Lippard is now the team manager and i know he will do a great damned job for the team and do it well .

 

3) to Ron, Murray,and Simon i which you well at the worlds this year in Thailand ...enjoyed,have fun, play well the most important thing is "to meet some of the big names & greatest petanque players there at the championship.

 

4) to all other petanque player's in NZ ,we should get behind this team and lets give them " OUR SUPPORT "no matter what it is"financialy or whatever lets stand by our team.

 

"p.s never mind the politics" politics spoils everything.

 

5) because on my side of all this i am tired and sick of it ??

 

6) I will give and commit myself to this "NZ TEAM" and help in anyway i can.

 

7) new zealand we got work to do " lets prepare our " NZ TEAM" for the worlds and lets get on with it .

 

8) lets put our concertration on this team rather then against it don't you guys think.

 

9) cheers tom !!

 

10) lets be positive with this.

 

Georgio Vakauta


Comment regarding that P.N.Z WOULD THEY BEND THE RULES FOR MY TEAM .

 

Definitely NOT there is no way they would of done that for my TEAM if my team won !!.....and yes they done it again only this time it's huge ,i don't know if there going to come forward to admit that they made a very big mistake .

Georgio Vakauta


A great wrong has been committed by PNZ. PNZ has broken its own 2007 selection rules. Murray Porter, had advised Bryan Wells that the fourth player will not be selected from the available players who reached the top 4 teams, but a player who was a member of a team knocked out in the quarter-finals (ie the team finished in 5 - 8 position. This player was David Lippard. Surely this is bending the rules. Would PNZ have agreed to bend the rules for the team of Georgio?.

"One of the most frequent and strongest comments from our recent survey on the Selection process was that the PNZ must stick to its stated policies and processes." Text taken from this PNZ Letter.

 

This 4th player debacle is being diverted to whether the team has a right to chose. They have every right. The question is; what happened to cause a number of people to complain about PNZ not following the process. One only has to read Claire's comment on this page: "....and I had great hope that as part of that we were going to have criteria set that would be held to. Yet at the first hurdle it would appear that manipulation has occurred which has again caused the criteria to be overriden."''

 

It seems that PNZ had initially committed the bending of the rules. Wrong decisions, breakdown in communications and disagreements (this was described to me yesterday as "hiccups"). I have no problem with that - I make mistakes on a daily basis. What I have a problem with is that PNZ is not coming clean by simply saying it's our mistake, we apologise for what happened.

 

The suppression of the truth breaths a lot of anger and frustration. This can lead to all sorts of consequences. To prevent this, it is always a good idea to front up and say, hey we made a mistake.

 

I do not think that people who question the process are killing "the relationships that this great game can provide". I also know that it is easy to say "forget the past and move on." What is the past, is it last year or last week?. Forgetting the past is not easy for those who are directly effected by what they perceive as an injustice. It is not right for Maurice to dismiss grievances people may have about the process as merely a "side show - and a minor one at that". I am not affected by any of this, I would be lucky to get into the Bowl. I am just trying to be objective. Questioning processes was perfectly ok last year, it is not this year it seems.

 

I firmly believe that people who question a process are not "knockers" nor should it imply that they do not support the team or hold the members of the team in low regard. For David to say: “They know who they are, as do we” is nothing less than a threat.

 

David states: "Each member of the team is a successful person outside of the game of Petanque." What on earth does this mean??. I do not know of a single NZ Petanque player who is not a successful person outside of the game.

 

It is a shame that David Lippard and others did not inform PNZ that it would be much better if the winning team can choose whoever they liked. It is a shame that PNZ did not consult with highly experienced people within our game, before they wrote the conditions. It is a shame that PNZ has not had the courage to take ownership and say sorry to the New Zealand Petanque membership.

 

There never was "the benefit of hindsight". This year selection criteria and selection of a fourth player (if required) was as clear as clear can be. "the benefit of hindsight" never came into it. How could PNZ be persuaded to depart from what was so simple and clear. We are still waiting for a satisfactory explanation.

 

I find it heartening that people are beginning to turn to what is really at stake here; the "process" and the inability of PNZ to stand up and take ownership. This is not about the team..

 

Dirk, I would love it if you could explain to me what you mean by: "the unintended consequences of the processes ". -Tom.

 

Tom,

I guess what I mean by unintended consequence, and maybe I didn't use the right term but, is that I don't think the PNZ at the time gave themselves the breathing space to think through the ramifications of their actions. I do believe that the PNZ acted sincerely in what they believed was the best interests of all concerned. There was a groundswell of opinion, which, as you may recall I opposed, to get rid of selection. The PNZ put in a process to appease players. I would suggest this was done with indecent haste.

Dirk.

 

Dirk,

Murray Porter was at the meeting when the protocols where drawn up. You say: "think through the ramifications of their actions." Dirk, there where no ramifications to be considered. The protocols and conditions have been up on the Web for months. Why is it that we only now (after the tournament) find "mistakes" in it. We have extremely competent people in New Zealand - none of these had a problem with the simple and straightforward protocols. There would have been plenty of time to make changes, up to the triples entries being received. -Tom.


Update 12/07/2007: Apart from an ill worded attack by Bryan Wells (CEO) on the players raising the hard questions, we are still waiting for an acceptable explanation from PNZ. -Tom.


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